{"id":84952,"date":"2023-11-15T15:24:56","date_gmt":"2023-11-15T20:24:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ifintechworld.com\/news\/bionano-genomics-inc-bngo-presents-at-stifel-healthcare-conference-transcript\/"},"modified":"2023-11-15T15:24:57","modified_gmt":"2023-11-15T20:24:57","slug":"bionano-genomics-inc-bngo-presents-at-stifel-healthcare-conference-transcript","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ifintechworld.com\/?p=84952","title":{"rendered":"Bionano Genomics, Inc. (BNGO) Presents at Stifel Healthcare Conference (Transcript)"},"content":{"rendered":"<div data-test-id=\"content-container\">\n<p>Bionano Genomics, Inc. (<span class=\"ticker-hover-wrapper\">NASDAQ:BNGO<\/span>) Stifel Healthcare Conference Call November 15, 2023 1:50 PM ET<\/p>\n<p><strong>Company Participants<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Erik Holmlin &#8211; CEO<\/p>\n<p><strong>Conference Call Participants<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Dan Arias &#8211; Stifel<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dan Arias<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Okay. Welcome back to the 2023 Stifel Healthcare Conference Day Two. We are on the life sciences and diagnostics track here. I am Dan Arias. I\u2019m the life sciences and diagnostics analyst. We\u2019re happy to have with us our next company, Bionano Genomics. CEO, Erik Holmlin is with us. I think, Erik, maybe you\u2019re going to take us through some slides, and then we\u2019ll see what we have left for a little Q&amp;A, if we have time.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Erik Holmlin<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Yes. Sounds great, Dan.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dan Arias<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Okay.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Erik Holmlin<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity to participate. And, it\u2019s good to look out across the room, see some familiar faces and some new faces. So, excited to tell you about what we\u2019ve been up to at Bionano.<\/p>\n<p>I think, these next two slides, we have one nice, long, forward-looking statement slide, but now we have another one. And I feel like, these lawyers need something else to do besides give us long lists of disclaimers to put in our presentations, but please making sure that you look at our filings, on the internet.<\/p>\n<p>But if you don\u2019t know Bionano, if you\u2019re new to us, we\u2019re a commercial stage company in healthcare innovation, life sciences tools, diagnostics, and we\u2019re really focused on oncology, genetic diseases. And a really important area for us is the contributions that we\u2019re making in, cell and gene therapy. And we\u2019ve been pioneering something called optical genome mapping, OGM for short. And optical genome mapping is a technique or a workflow that really transforms an area of anatomic pathology called cytogenetics. And cytogenetics, I\u2019ll touch on how big it is, but our technique really replaces three main workhorses there, karyotyping, FISH and microarrays. But there<span class=\"paywall-full-content invisible\"> are 2 or 3 other assays, 4 or 5 altogether that can really be replaced by one workflow optical genome mapping, and we\u2019ll talk about why it\u2019s better.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible\">And what we sell is<span class=\"paywall-full-content no-summary-bullets invisible\"> this end to end solution for optical genome mapping. And so, it\u2019s an instrumentation platform at the center, but we have sample prep automation and really amazing software for interpretation and reporting.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Commercial stage, and revenues have been growing nicely. So, this is over the last several quarters, looks like 11 quarters there, and steadily growing revenues. And that black line represents our installed base. So, as of the third quarter of 2023, we reported $9.3 million in top-line revenues, and our installed base has reached the 300 mark. So, 301 installed mapping systems. And, what we\u2019ve seen is pretty consistent growth in that installed base, about 40% year-over-year growth. And revenues are growing in that roughly 30% range. And the idea is to build this installed base of mappers and then have the consumables revenues take over. And so, if you look on this chart, you see about two thirds the way down on the list of bullets on the right.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Flowcells, those are the unit consumables tied to a genome that gets analyzed by a mapper. Now those are growing at 55% year-over-year. And so, we\u2019ve seen the consumables growth start to outpace the installed base growth, and that\u2019s exactly what we\u2019re looking for. So we want to see more and more people adopting the technology, but then those who do adopt it use it more and more on a regular basis. And we just completed a $80 million registered and &#8212; registered offering and concurrent placement, which is extending our cash runway.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">So, when we look at the areas that we\u2019re focused on, it\u2019s really about addressing unmet clinical needs in these four markets. So, hematologic malignancies, leukemias, lymphomas, myelomas, constitutional genetic testing, solid tumors, a pocket of it, the area that\u2019s focused on fresh frozen tissues. And then a big area of utility for mapping is in R&amp;D, preclinical, and clinical development of cell and gene therapies.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">And the areas that we\u2019re trying to address are covered in these four bullets that you see at the top there. So, you may not be aware of this, but about half the time when a patient sample is tested in a cytogenetics lab, whether that\u2019s for cancer, for genetic disease, the results come back and they\u2019re totally uninformative. Like, it\u2019s very common in leukemia for complex disease to have a normal karyotype. And yet the oncologist knows that that patient has leukemia. The impact of getting a normal karyotype back is they don\u2019t know how to treat that disease and manage that patient. So, that happens 50% of the time. Same happens in genetic diseases.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Now, based on some of the work that\u2019s been done with mapping so far and some of the papers that have been published, we now know that about 20% of the characterization, so prognostic scores in leukemias are wrong. So, when we look at how standard of care does that compared to what mapping does, what we see is that there\u2019s a massive reclassification. About 1 in 5 patients would either be upgraded so that they would be, let\u2019s say, treated by &#8212; with a transplant or some other intervention, or they\u2019d be downgraded, and they wouldn\u2019t get treatment at all. And so, the standard of care is just not adequate for properly characterizing these diseases.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">And, I think we all know and we\u2019re familiar with the fact that cell and gene therapies are struggling to progress. And one of those reasons are off-target effects and other aspects of a deterioration of genome integrity through the factoring process. Well, optical genome mapping can help characterize that and play a role in the QC both in preclinical development, but in cases prior to infusion in patients.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">So, this optical genome mapping is really our economic engine. The idea is that it replaces the traditional cytogenetic tools that are out there. And this is a slide that really &#8212; I think, it\u2019s intended to tell a story about genetic variation and illustrate to people that a lot of times when we think about genetic variation, we have this idea, well, it\u2019s one base pair changing and that\u2019s true. One base pair can change and that can cause a deleterious effect in a gene or some other area of the genome. But actually, there\u2019s a whole spectrum of genetic variation that is characterized by the size, and it ranges from one base pair all the way up to full chromosomes. And so, the technologies that are used to look for these events have limitations as to the size or type of event they can detect.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">So, you can see sequencing in the orange bar on the right. Very, very good looking at on base pair and we know about the amazing capabilities of Illumina, now all the other sequencing companies that are coming into the space. They\u2019re not going to be able to detect anything reliably above about 500 base pairs. Now long-read sequencing, PacBio, Oxford Nanopore Technologies, they\u2019ve come out &#8212; I mean, incredible progress over the last decade, but still significant limitation in terms of the range of variation they can detect. Long-read sequencing reliably up to about 5,000 to 10,000 base pairs. And that\u2019s why this whole area of cytogenetics exists.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">The current standard of care is fluorescence in situ hybridization, so staining chromosomes with fluorescent probes, microarrays and then karyotyping. So growing cells up in culture, popping them open, spreading the chromosomes out on a slide, and having a trained technicians stain and read those slides. Incredibly laborious, requires two weeks of cell culture to get done. And optical genome mapping, you can see in the blue bar, covers the entire area that traditional cytogenetic covers, but then importantly, bridges this gap over to sequencing. It actually covers an area that\u2019s completely otherwise uncovered, that space between about 50,000 to a 100,000 base pairs down to about 5,000 base pairs. And so, the thinking is that within that window, there\u2019s a ton of clinically relevant and biologically relevant variants that are not being picked up. And so, when mapping picks those up, let\u2019s say, in a leukemia study, those can be used to further manage the patient. That\u2019s why we\u2019re getting better answers in at least 20% of the cases.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">But the idea is that optical genome mapping will replace traditional cytogenetics and then provide a very nice link to sequencing. If you\u2019re looking at this slide, you may ask, well, what\u2019s the future of long-read sequencing. And so I think that that\u2019s a valid question. I think optical genome mapping and short-read sequencing is a very powerful combination.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">And so when we think about what are we trying to do, on the left hand side, fundamentally accelerate revenue growth. And I think we\u2019re in an environment which everybody here is familiar with. We\u2019re also familiar with it, and that is that we need to operate as efficiently as possible and get to profitability. And so, what we decided to do is really focus in these four primary areas.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">It\u2019s about selling this end to end workflow for optical genome mapping, primarily in hematologic malignancies as a tool in pharmaceutical companies for cell and gene therapy. And then we\u2019re addressing this rare disease community as cytogenetics labs pick the system up. But selling this end to end workflow, sample to answer is key. And actually, no other genomics company does that, right?<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">So, Illumina, for example, you\u2019re going to buy a lot of equipment and a lot of tools and a lot of reagents from other companies, and that\u2019s fine. That\u2019s worked well for Illumina over the years. But what we know is customers want a single vendor to deal with, and so we\u2019re giving them that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Something that we need to focus on and have been focusing on is clearing the path for reimbursement. So, the big economic opportunity for us is to replace traditional cytogenetics. Well, those are used in clinical applications. And so, in order for a lab to convert over, they need to have confidence that they\u2019re going to get paid. And that\u2019s been &#8212; there\u2019s been a ton of progress. There have been some codes that have been priced recently, about $1,900 for a leukemia assay. And so, that\u2019s progressing well, but we need to keep doing more. And that\u2019s not just here in the United States, but on a global basis.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">And then, we\u2019re seeking regulatory clearance for this end to end workflow in the U.S. and in Europe. It\u2019s not something that we require for commercial adoption today, but we just see that the overall climate is focusing on the importance of FDA registration. And so, we want to be ahead of that. And so, that\u2019s something that we\u2019re working on and, of course, doing it as efficiently as possible. And so, these are the four pillars of our ELEVATE! strategy. This is the end to end workflow. So, we have sample preparation kits and a system that uses a technology called isotachophoresis or ITP for short. It\u2019s called the Ionic system. We acquired that through an acquisition of a company called Purigen Biosystems. That does the DNA isolation on the front end, which is very unique in optical genome mapping.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">We now have two instruments. So, the Saphyr system pictured at the bottom is the instrument that\u2019s been around since 2017. And now, we have its next generation, the Stratys system, which is pictured up at the top. Stratys has 4 times the throughput of the Saphyr system. Why is that important? Labs want to adopt, but they have found that the Saphyr system, for higher throughput labs, just doesn\u2019t process enough samples. And so, we developed a whole new instrument. That\u2019s now in early access, about 10 of them for sale this quarter, and we\u2019re filling those orders, and systems have been placed. And we\u2019ll go into a full commercial release at the beginning of next year.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">And then software. So, our software solution is called VIA. It stands for Variant Intelligence Applications. Again, we acquired a software company, and then we adapted this software to optical genome mapping. But what\u2019s so powerful about it is that labs can not only analyze optical genome mapping data, but they can put NGS data in that same software solution. So today, they would need to be generating two completely separate reports, giving the oncologist an NGS report, giving the oncologist an OGM report. But now that can be integrated. And it\u2019s not limited to just NGS and OGM, but you could put microarray data in there as well. And so, this really provides a very streamlined workflow for getting OGM done. And it integrates well into what\u2019s existing.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">So, on the left hand side, what you see here is the traditional lab workflow in cytogenetics. And I can\u2019t even read the things that are on this slide. But the idea is illustrate it\u2019s pretty complex. There are multiple workflows depending upon whether you\u2019re looking at &#8212; and this is just in hematologic malignancies. Different workflows depending on what initial diagnosis has been named, for the sample coming into the lab. Optical genome mapping in contrast is the same workflow. It doesn\u2019t matter what the sample is, it doesn\u2019t matter what the initial diagnosis is. And so that really simplifies and streamlines the workflow, but then it shortens the time. So traditional cytogenetics would take something like, up to three weeks. And in fact, some of our customers that have been adopting, had a four-week workflow. And we shrink that down to three to five days.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">So you can imagine when it involves getting a patient on chemotherapy, a savings of two or three weeks is likely to have a very, very big impact in outcomes. And oncologists love that. The other aspect is kind of illustrated down here below, multiple reports. three to five different reports coming out at different times. And we consolidate that into a single report. And so the workflow is really attractive for these labs.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">When we think about cell and gene therapy, how does optical genome mapping fit in? Well, they use cytogenetics today. They use it initially, whether you\u2019re going allogeneic or autologous, you get cells from a patient and then introduce your therapeutic payload. At this stage here, when you have your edited cells, you need to characterize those gene modifications. You\u2019re looking for off-target effects. You\u2019re seeking to confirm that the desired on-target effect has been delivered. So that\u2019s a first point of cytogenetic intervention. It\u2019s a place where mapping can make a big difference. But then, the next phase involves growing these edited cells up in culture to give you a manufactured batch.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Well, it\u2019s well-known that during culture, genome integrity can degrade, and you can lose all of your intended effect, or you can create toxic effects. And so, optical genome mapping is, again, used to evaluate cells here and then evaluate them prior to infusion in patients. And so, I think I\u2019m going to show a slide at the end of the deck. But what we\u2019ve seen is like a doubling in the adoption by pharma companies on a year-over-year basis, and it\u2019s for this application.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">How do we think about the size of this market? We think about it in probably two different ways. One of the earlier slides, we talked about the number of samples that are being tested in traditional cytogenetics. It\u2019s about 10 million samples a year. And then, we think about what are the number of labs that would adopt this kind of technology. There\u2019s about 10,000 labs on a global basis, doing some form of karyotyping, FISH, microarray.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Karyotyping, by the way, is the global standard. There\u2019s way more karyotyping that happens than sequencing that happens today. And then about 1,400 therapeutics companies working in some area of cell and gene therapy. So, I think that there is the opportunity to place thousands and thousands of our mapping systems and process millions of patients per year. And economically, it costs about $500 to process a genome or a patient sample. And so, that\u2019s how we think about the total available markets here.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">This is the methodology outlined here. I think it kind of goes through four stages: the prep stage, the image stage, the mapping stage and the interpretation stage. I won\u2019t spend a ton of time talking about it, but there\u2019s a couple of unique aspects. The first one is the DNA isolation. So one of the reasons that sequencing isn\u2019t very good at looking at these large rearrangements is that sequencing processes tiny fragments of the chromosomes. You have 150 base pair reads coming from molecules that are a few hundred, maybe a 1,000 base pairs long. Well, at that point, all of the structural information in the genome has been lost and destroyed. And so what we have developed is proprietary methods to isolate what we call ultra-high molecular weight DNA, so we\u2019re talking about hundreds of thousands to millions of base pairs long.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">So here, you have all of the structural relationships intact. And what we do is then label them up, sequence specifically, and then linearize the molecules in a proprietary chip called a nano channel array. When those molecules have been spread out, we image them doing single molecule imaging. That\u2019s where the instrument comes in. And then software takes over through a mapping, and then visualization and interpretation stage. But this is the OGM workflow, and it gets the job done in 3 to 5 days versus 3 to 4 weeks, which is what is required in the traditional workflow.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Now for some people here &#8212; I know not Dan, because I\u2019ve been talking to him forever about structural variations, but this idea of structural variation may be new. It turns out it\u2019s not new. It\u2019s new a little bit to the sequencing community because sequencers don\u2019t find it, so they\u2019re not talking about it. But all of these medical societies have written guidelines for characterizing patients in cancer and genetic diseases. And every one of the guidelines for leukemia, lymphoma, myeloma, solid tumors calls for karyotyping, FISH, and microarray. That is the standard of care. And karyotyping and FISH and microarray, as we illustrated before, look at these large structural variations. And so, this is really, an established important area of medicine. What has been going on is there isn\u2019t a technology that\u2019s really been able to crack the code, and we have that now. And so, this is the area where we\u2019re focusing.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">And often, folks are interested in, well, you\u2019re saying sequencing doesn\u2019t do as well as mapping. Can you quantify that? Well, there\u2019s been tons and tons of papers that have come out. And this is a slide that attempts to illustrate that. So, the black bars represent the percentage of structural variations that was detected by sequencing compared to what optical genome mapping detected. So, that first line says that sequencing picked up 11% of the variance that OGM picked up.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">As I said, long-read sequencing is better than short-read sequencing. So here you see 50% to 70% of structural variations are picked up by long-read sequencing compared to what mapping picks up. But, I don\u2019t know about you guys. I have a 14-year old daughter. She\u2019s in 9th grade. I tell her that 50s and 60s and 70s on the test is not good, not nearly good enough. And it\u2019s when it\u2019s your life, and it\u2019s cancer that we\u2019re talking about, it\u2019s absolutely totally unsatisfactory. Right? Some people have said to me, well, gee-whiz, Erik, PacBio has a new system out. It\u2019s called Revio. It\u2019s way better. It\u2019s not better, actually. It\u2019s faster, but the chemistry hasn\u2019t changed. So, these data really, really hold. I mean, this is the standard. Optical genome mapping is the best for detecting these large structural variants that\u2019s well established and well proven.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Something else about being in the OGM space versus the sequencing space is that we don\u2019t have a lot of annoying other companies coming around. Now sometimes, it\u2019s nice to have strength in numbers, I guess, somebody else telling your story. But we much rather be where we\u2019re at in the OGM landscape versus where the NGS folks are at. I mean, that\u2019s definitely crowded and a lot of price competition going on there where we\u2019re selling a very compelling clinical value. And so, we love where we\u2019re at and positioned in the space.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Now, something for us has been a really intense focus on market development. So, the strategic pillar that\u2019s connected to clearing the path for reimbursement is really a market development challenge where we\u2019re focused on addressing key drivers to get the medical community on board and have them include optical genome mapping and guidelines. This is a decade-long process, but until you start it, it hasn\u2019t begun.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">And then getting payers on board. We\u2019ve made a lot of progress there. But the key to it is building like a critical mass of data, showing clinical validity, clinical utility, health economics, as many publications as we can get out there. And then, we need adoption and utilization. And we had a good discussion with the folks at Palmetto and MolDX. And they said, well, you know, who\u2019s using it? And they said, well, we need you guys to reimburse it so more people can use it. And they said, well, we need more people to use it so we can reimburse it. So, that\u2019s a challenging dynamic but we\u2019re driving that discussion by giving payer specific data that they\u2019re asking for, pushing for the guidelines, and ultimately, coding and reimbursement, which is driven by the payers and supports adoption.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">So this is an ongoing effort, and it\u2019s an area where we spend money. But I think it\u2019s money well spent to drive adoption and get these groups supporting what we\u2019re doing. And these are just some of the principal investigators who are involved in our trials. As part of that market development work, we have a clinical trials program in prenatal genetic testing and constitutional or postnatal genetic testing in leukemias and lymphomas and then one in solid tumors. And these are all the different institutions that are involved and the scientists who are leading those studies. And, it\u2019s a highly collaborative effort.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">We see a lot of impact in this work. So, this is a cumulative count of just human genomes that have been analyzed and published. And, I mean, you can see that the hockey stick is happening there. The same sort of thing is happening just to the cumulative number of publications. So, in 2017, a 104, through the end of third quarter this year, 886. And so, why do I show these here? It\u2019s because this is really the best leading indicator that we have. It\u2019s the literature that really provides new potential adopters with the comfort to adopt. They\u2019re happy to listen to me as a salesperson, but they\u2019d rather listen to their colleagues who have tested the system and written about it. And this is just a summary of where those publications are hitting according to indication. And the idea is that we have pretty compelling studies across all of the different indications where we\u2019re seeking to drive adoption. So, it\u2019s been very nice progress in market development there.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">And this is a slide that I think shows our progress. So, since launching the Saphyr system, we\u2019ve been able to improve its performance quite a bit. There\u2019s actually been an overall 14-fold increase in throughput since 2017, and about a 10-fold decrease in cost per genome. And that is what has changed the kind of complexion of sites that are adopting. So, in these first couple of years, especially in 2017, you see 63% of adoption was in university research centers basic research. And I can tell you that people were doing things like hummingbirds and fruit flies and, Komodo dragon and, the cover of science was salamander. And, it was sort of paying the bills, so we celebrated it. But our real objective was to get into hospitals, academic medical centers. And so, we kept pushing the performance of the product, increase the throughput and lower the cost. And so you see that &#8212; a lot of that happened in 2019 and so that has really paid off.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">And so if you start adding up some of these distributions, it\u2019s kind of interesting. Only 30% of systems were installed in academic medical centers and reference labs through 2019, but since then, it\u2019s 71%. And then we just checked year-to-date 2023, 86% are either in an academic medical center or reference lab or a pharma company. And then, pharma is this sort of, like, light green bar on a year-over-year basis, that really &#8212; that doubled. And so that reflects the interest in this cell and gene therapy application.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">So, while we were back here doing the boogers, bears, and bees is what I call the basic research area, we\u2019ve clearly shifted over into human applications, but human clinical medical applications that\u2019s really driving meaningful, important value to physicians and patients. So, it\u2019s incredible evolution for us. And this is obviously the big market, and it\u2019s the sticky market. This is where adoption happens and utilization sticks.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">And so, we have a number of catalysts that we\u2019ve been clicking through this year. Good progress around product launches, clinical studies, work in reimbursement. Where you see a check mark, we\u2019ve gotten it done. Where you don\u2019t see a check mark, it means it\u2019s coming still this year. And we\u2019re just trying to drive that end to end workflow into the market as effectively as we can and create the opportunity for folks to adopt it. So, I want to thank everybody for attending and listening and happy to answer any questions.<\/p>\n<p id=\"question-answer-session\" class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\"><strong>Question-and-Answer Session<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\"><strong>Q &#8211; Dan Arias <\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Yes. That was great, Eric. Maybe I\u2019ll just start. It looks like we have a couple of minutes for a few here. And I just want to hit on a point that you made on the clinical data generation, which is to say, to use the baseball metaphor, if I look at that slide on publications, how far down the path do you think that\u2019s taking you in terms of reaching that critical mass and having what you need?<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">And then the second question on top of that in sort of the related areas, is it really just a number or is there something that you think these payers need to see? Is it a comparison of some sort that they\u2019re really kind of trying to have in hand in order to change the way that they think?<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\"><strong><span class=\"answer\">Erik Holmlin<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Yes. So, we made a huge dent. And, I think what we\u2019ve done is lit a fire in the community. And so the community will continue it. We\u2019re also going to continue pushing, but there\u2019s this incredible momentum. So we\u2019ve really &#8212; the sort of like step we\u2019ve taken has been massive. We\u2019re going to continue to support it. But, I don\u2019t think that the lift going forward is nearly as heavy as it has been to this point.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">When you talk about payers, this is really interesting. So, this is not a new test. It\u2019s a new technology, but it\u2019s being not being used for a new test. And so that really helps us. So, when you go through the list of things that MolDX requires to issue a local coverage determination, clinical utility, clinical validity, those things are already established. Clinical utility is everybody understands, it\u2019s in guidelines that you should do karyotyping and FISH. We\u2019re just a replacement. So then, what they ask us to show is how good are we compared to those traditional methods? And the answer is shown in all those publications now, 100% concordant.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">And then they want to know, well, okay, are you better, and by how much? And so then they want us to measure things like diagnostic yield. I mentioned at the outset that about 50% of patients\u2019 samples that are tested come back with no results. So what kind of a dent do you make in that 50% of uninformed test results? And the answer is that in, heme, it\u2019s going to be like 25% to 30%. So almost half of those we\u2019re going to make an impact on. That\u2019s huge. And then, in genetic diseases, it\u2019s somewhere between 10% and 30%. It\u2019s a more complicated space. But nevertheless, we make a huge impact in the otherwise undiagnosed population. And that\u2019s something that payers value intensely. Because what happens with those patients is they get testing over and over. So super expensive, years of testing, and we can nip that in the bud for a substantial portion.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">And so, CMS just priced a specific, it\u2019s called a Proprietary Laboratory Analyses code or PLA code. And they just priced that for heme for two labs that applied for it and they priced it at $1,900. And I mean, if you compare that to some of the traditional genetic tests, those are much lower pricing. And so, I think that there\u2019s some recognition of this incremental value there.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">What we need now are for, the Medicaid administrative contractors to issue coverage decisions. And that\u2019s something that we can drive because we have a CLIA lab, but also our customers are doing it. So MD Anderson in Texas, they\u2019re doing it. We have a CLIA lab in California, so that\u2019s Palmetto, and so we\u2019re doing it there. Dartmouth, Harvard, they\u2019re doing it for NGS up in this Northeast area. So those coverage determinations are next.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\"><strong>Dan Arias<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Okay. I think we\u2019ve hit our limit here on time. So I\u2019m just going to say, Erik, thanks for spending some time with us today. Good to see you.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\"><strong>Erik Holmlin<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Yes. Thanks Dan.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>Read the full article <a href=\"https:\/\/seekingalpha.com\/article\/4652142-bionano-genomics-inc-bngo-presents-stifel-healthcare-conference-transcript?source=feed_all_articles\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Bionano Genomics, Inc. 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