{"id":81082,"date":"2023-11-06T02:03:33","date_gmt":"2023-11-06T07:03:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ifintechworld.com\/news\/beware-the-doomsayers-sp-500-earnings-should-be-fine\/"},"modified":"2023-11-06T02:03:37","modified_gmt":"2023-11-06T07:03:37","slug":"beware-the-doomsayers-sp-500-earnings-should-be-fine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ifintechworld.com\/?p=81082","title":{"rendered":"Beware The Doomsayers &#8211; S&#038;P 500 Earnings Should Be Fine"},"content":{"rendered":"<div data-test-id=\"content-container\">\n<p><figure class=\"getty-figure\" data-type=\"getty-image\"><picture><\/picture><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p>\n<p>No sooner did we have one solid week for the stock and bond markets as the seasonally favorable part of the calendar began, when the gloom-and-doomers came out of the woodwork and started yelling &#8220;The sky is falling&#8221; when it comes to<span class=\"paywall-full-content invisible\"> S&amp;P 500 earnings.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible\">Don&#8217;t buy into the disaster-is-nigh crowd just yet. Here are a couple of aspects of S&amp;P 500 earnings to consider:<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible\">1.) Full-year 2023 S&amp;P 500 earnings growth is expected to be 2-3%, versus 6% actual growth in 2022, and yet the SPY was up 14.94% as of 11\/3\/23, in what seems like a difficult year. The knee-jerk reaction is to always trim S&amp;P 500 EPS expectations, but here&#8217;s the kicker: in 2019 S&amp;P 500 EPS growth was 0% and the S&amp;P 500 returned 31.8%, thanks to Jay Powell and the FOMC cutting interest rates.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">2.) In Q4 &#8217;23 and early 2024, the S&amp;P 500 faces weak compared to the Q4 &#8217;22 and early 2023 actual S&amp;P 500 earnings results. Here&#8217;s a look at the numbers:<\/p>\n<ul class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">\n<li> <em><strong>Q4 &#8217;22 y.y EPS gro:<\/strong><\/em> -3.2% EPS gro, +5.8% rev gro;<\/li>\n<li> <em><strong>Q1 &#8217;23 y.y EPS gro:<\/strong><\/em> +1% EPS gro, +3.6% rev gro;<\/li>\n<li> <em><strong>Q2 &#8217;23 y.y EPS gro:<\/strong><\/em> -2.8% EPS gro; +0.5% rev gro;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">The 3rd quarter of 2023, being reported currently is the strongest quarter of S&amp;P 500 EPS growth since Q2 &#8217;22.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">3.) The final aspect of S&amp;P 500 estimates is that not all of the estimates put up are bottom-up S&amp;P 500 estimates run through models. John Butters or Michael Thompson, both of whom were at Refinitiv (before it was Refinitiv) told me that half the full-year S&amp;P 500 EPS estimates are thrown up by strategists, which can be somewhat &#8211; how shall we say &#8211; less rigorous, than a bottom-up earnings model. If Mike Wilson of Morgan Stanley would have thrown up a full-year 2022 or 2023 S&amp;P 500 estimate (or estimates) where do readers think it would have landed relative to consensus? Not to pick on Mike but to make the point about all the erroneous recession calls of the last 18 months, and what that does to the &#8220;mean&#8221; estimate.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Here&#8217;s a table I like to show on occasion: look at the reduction (by quarter) in the last week:<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">\n<figure class=\"regular-img-figure paywall-full-content invisible\" contenteditable=\"false\"><picture><span><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/ifintechworld.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/48957764-16992494985092387.png\" alt=\"S&amp;P 500\" width=\"640\" height=\"213\" contenteditable=\"false\" data-width=\"640\" data-height=\"213\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/span><\/picture><\/figure>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">The two columns highlighted are Q3 &#8217;23 EPS and revenue growth. Note the cuts to forward EPS and revenue growth this week.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Remember, stock market return has more to do with liquidity than S&amp;P 500 earnings growth.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">What&#8217;s even more interesting is that S&amp;P 500 EPS is expected to grow by 2024 11% as of this weekend. That&#8217;s down from 12% a week or two ago. If the Fed does reduce rates in 2024, investors could be facing a double-barreled tailwind of decent S&amp;P 500 earnings growth and easier monetary policy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">The point for readers is to use caution around S&amp;P 500 earnings that are too far in either direction in terms of optimism or pessimism. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see the &#8220;expected 11% 2024 S&amp;P 500 EPS growth get trimmed over the next 7 weeks, possibly to mid-single digit expected growth.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">The &#8220;upside surprise&#8221; or beat rate to S&amp;P 500 EPS in this Q3 &#8217;23 is still at 7% even with 80% of the S&amp;P 500 having already reported. The headlines, the FOMC, the Fed&#8217;s statements, and the constant negativity in the news media have driven earnings expectations and analyst estimates far too low, as evidenced by the &#8220;beat rate&#8221; of S&amp;P 500 earnings being +6.8%, +7.9%, and +7.0% the last three quarters.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Q4 &#8217;23 is facing very easy comps per the above numbers. It should be another healthy quarter for the S&amp;P 500 reports.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\"><em><strong>Summary\/conclusion:<\/strong><\/em> Take all of the above with substantial skepticism as it represents just one opinion, and it is neither advice nor a recommendation. Past performance is no guarantee of future results. Investors are entering into the seasonally strongest part of the calendar for positive stock returns, and S&amp;P 500 earnings were\/are for Q3 &#8217;23 &#8211; once again &#8211; healthy. Certainly not blow-outs for most but the +5.7% EPS growth for Q3 &#8217;23 as of Friday, 11\/3\/23, is far healthier than the +1.6% expected for the quarter on 9\/30\/23.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Suppose you are wondering what to watch, along with S&amp;P 500 earnings, for a US economy that might decelerate too quickly, watch corporate high-yield credit or &#8220;junk&#8221; bonds. Corporate high yield had a good week last week &#8211; the HYG alone returned 3.18% last week. One metric tracked each week is the return on high-yield credit (HYG) versus the return on investment-grade credit and the high yield is still +600 bps better YTD as of 11\/3\/23.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">If &#8220;duration&#8221; starts to catch up to credit, this spread should narrow, and if the US economy does start to decelerate faster than many expect, it&#8217;s likely to start to show up in credit spreads first.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Rightly or wrongly, I&#8217;ve always felt that credit spreads were the early-warning detection system for US economic problems.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\">Thanks for reading<\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\"><em>Original Post<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"paywall-full-content invisible no-summary-bullets\"><em><strong>Editor&#8217;s Note:<\/strong> The summary bullets for this article were chosen by Seeking Alpha editors.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>Read the full article <a href=\"https:\/\/seekingalpha.com\/article\/4647909-beware-doomsayers-sp-500-earnings-should-be-fine?source=feed_all_articles\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>No sooner did we have one solid week for the stock and bond markets as the seasonally favorable part of the calendar began, when the gloom-and-doomers came out of the woodwork and started yelling &#8220;The sky is falling&#8221; when it comes to S&amp;P 500 earnings. 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